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    Dear Friends,
    This discussion on bagpipes was moved from military discussion to the Homefront, as it contains some interesting information for the citizenry. It is being edited to preserve the civilian content. Any comments removed do not constitute a sanction from the moderators, but rather indicate that the content was not relevant to civilian use of bagpipes in the mid-century.

    Regards,
    Elizabeth Clark
    Homefront Co-Moderator


    In my recent readings I found this (presumably Christmas Day 1861) and though this may contribute:

    "Seated near the fire was Johnny Flaherty, discoursing sweet music from his violin. Johnny hailed from Boston;was a musical genius,in his way, and though only 14 years of age,could play on the bagpipes,piano, and Heaven knows how many other instruments: beside him sat his father, fingering the chanters of a bagpipe in elegant stye. It is no wonder the that most of the regiment was gathered around there, for it was Christmas Eve, and home thoughts and home longings were crowding on the;....."

    From pp77-78 Chapter 3 The Irish Brigade and Its Campaigns by Capt. David Power Conyngham first published 1867, recently published 1994 Fordham U. Press edited L.F. Kohl

    In my winter 2003-04 readings of the Irish Brigade (mostly first hand accounts) I have found no evidence of "bagpipes" being used in any offical capacity ie dress parade, battle or even a funeral. The above account is the first one I have read. There is no evidence, even anecdotal, that would support the use of a bagpipe in a troop formation. However this account suggests the bagpipe may have occasionally been used around a camp fire on a special occasion in the AOP by soldiers of Celtic heritage.

    Frank Lilley
    28th Mass Vol. Co. K
    Last edited by ElizabethClark; 01-11-2004, 02:47 PM.
    Frank Lilley
    Sore Foot Mess

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    Re: Bagpipes In the War

    "Seated near the fire was Johnny Flaherty, discoursing sweet music from his violin... beside him sat his father, fingering the chanters of a bagpipe in elegant stye..."

    An Irish father and son from Boston, playing a Christmas set with fiddle and bagpipe? He's playing the Uilleann pipes.

    The Irish pipes have been around since the 19th century, with an image of a chanter from a circa 1830s set on the Na Píobairí Uilleann website. There's also a circa 1880s set in the musical instrument section at the Met in New York.

    This is one of the earlier images I've been able to find:


    BUT

    This is not evidence that they were used in the field during the Civil War. I think the price of even a mediocre set of pipes would make someone think twice about bringing a set out to an 'enactment, so it's probably a safe bet that we won't be seeing them around... although it would be pretty funny to see someone try to march with one strapped on.
    Jason R. Wickersty
    http://www.newblazingstarpress.com

    Received. “How now about the fifth and sixth guns?”
    Sent. “The sixth gun is the bully boy.”
    Received. “Can you give it any directions to make it more bully?”
    Sent. “Last shot was little to the right.”
    Received. “Fearfully hot here. Several men sunstruck. Bullets whiz like fun. Have ceased firing for awhile, the guns are so hot."

    - O.R.s, Series 1, Volume 26, Part 1, pg 86.

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    • #3
      Re: Bagpipes In the War

      Or: border pipes, shuttle pipes, Northumbrian pipes, or even Irish war pipes (bagpipes). But most likely Uillean pipes, I agree. Maybe not so expensive then, as your basic chanter, bag and bellows require less skill to make than a fiddle. (It's the drones and regulators of the modern full set of Uillean pipes which empty your wallet.) The basic set takes up less space than a fiddle, is less fragile, and is easily transported. Note the the lack of drones and regulators on the pipes played by the "irish piper" in the image. But this is an instrument for civilian music, played sitting down.

      Greg Renault
      Greg Renault

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      • #4
        Re: Bagpipes In the War

        For what it's worth, I did a little digging in the New York "Times" and these items immediately popped up:

        ‎25 September 1861 - Public notice announcing the opening of "[Lester] Wallack's Theater." ‎Under the program for "Musical Panorama of Broadway" you will see "3. Dodworth's Band with ‎Seventy-first [New York] Regiment. 4. Scottish bagpipes with Seventy-ninth [New York ‎Regiment]."‎

        ‎12 September 1862 - ANNUAL CELEBRATION OF THE CALEDONIAN CLUB.***"At the ‎sound of the bagpipe, the programme was commenced by the "Putting of the Heavy Stone," by ‎Mr. WM. LYONS, a stout-built, well-made man, who accomplished the feat with much ease.‎"

        ‎10 October 1863 - THE CALEDONIAN GAMES. AULD SCOTIA IN THE FIELD. Seventh ‎Annual Meeting of the New York Caledonian Club.***"Shortly after 10 o'clock, Pipers ‎CLELLAN and [PETER] BOWMAN paraded the ring, inspiring the multitude with the sweet ‎strains of their bag-pipes, reproducing the martial and fireside airs of old Scotland. ‎
        ‎ This prelude was succeeded by a grand old-fashioned Scottish reel, the members or clansmen of ‎the Club, preceded by the pipers, the officers and judges making the tour of the ring, and then ‎forming for the dance, which was rendered with indescribable spirit among the huzzahs of 5,000 ‎spectators. ***Piper Peter Bowman elicited much amusement by dancing a voluntary fling in the ‎most approved old classic style."‎

        ‎13 January 1865 - EIGHTH ANNUAL BALL OF THE NEW-YORK CALEDONIAN CLUB. ‎"The Eighth Annual Ball of the New-York Caledonian Club took place last evening [Thursday, 12 ‎January], at the City Assembly Rooms. The ball-room was very neatly decorated. The balcony ‎at the west end of the room was hung with the American colors and the club flag, and on the ‎balcony at the opposite end of the room were displayed the tattered and war-worn colors of the ‎veteran Seventy-ninth Regiment Highlanders. The Quadrille and Promenade band furnished ‎some excellent music; and two bagpipes, played by the pipers of the club, gave forth their ‎peculiar sounds, to the evident gratification of the merry Scotchmen. The members of the club ‎were dressed in their national costume, and their numerous plaids and bright jewels contrasted ‎beautifully with with [sic] the exquisite dresses of the ladies. The rooms were very well filled, ‎and all present seemed to enter fully into the enjoyment of the evening. At the sound of the ‎bugle the couples took their places promptly on the floor, and the dancing was conducted with ‎great spirit throughout. There was no lack of partners, and the ladies needed no urging.‎
        ‎ About 1 o'clock an excellent supper was served, after which the company returned to the ball-‎room. Dancing was resumed and kept up right merrily until the gray streaks of early dawn came ‎stealing in through the windows and warned the happy dancers that it was time to stop.‎
        ‎ The balls of this club have always been quite popular [since they started in 1858], and the ‎members may congratulate themselves that this one was, if possible, a greater success than any ‎they have ever given."
        [END]

        So what does all of the prove? Not a whole lot when it comes to pipes in the field but never let anybody tell you that "bagpipes weren't played back then." They sure as heck were...and I haven't even hit the rest of the papers for New York, Boston, or Chicago yet. The annual Caledonian balls and games were certainly monster events at that time. What I found particularly intriguing was the mention of the 79th NYVI colors being displayed at the 8th Caledonian Ball--this certainly suggests a close relationship between the regiment and Caledonian Club although, of course, it doesn't prove anything when it comes to bagpiping. Still the above items hint that there may be some interesting documentation still awaiting discovery.

        Comments?

        Mark Jaeger
        Last edited by ElizabethClark; 01-11-2004, 02:21 PM.
        Regards,

        Mark Jaeger

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        • #5
          Re: Bagpipes In the War

          Greetings,

          This is strictly "FYI". Some editing has been done for clarity.

          Regards,

          Mark Jaeger

          DEPARTURE OF THE SEVENTY-NINTH REGIMENT.‎

          Custom hath not stated the infinite variety of the departures of the Highland Guard, for yesterday ‎‎[Sunday, 2 June 1861], when they bade farewell to our City [New York], they were greeted with ‎an ovation, such as seldom been witnessed, even in these stirring times.

          From an early hour in ‎the afternoon, the approaches to Palace Garden were crowded with eager expectants, who looked ‎and longed for the plaid with unmurmuring persistency. According to the order issued by ‎Brigadier Gen. SCOTT, the regiment was to have taken its departure at 2 o’clock, but it was soon ‎known that the hour had been changed four. By this time the streets were literally packed with a ‎surging mass of humanity. Up Fourteenth street and down Broadway there was not a window ‎unoccupied; but the fair watchers lingered many an hour ere the braves came along. About 6 ½ ‎o’clock the sound of the pibroch was heard, and soon after the kilted pipers were seen treading ‎their way through the multitude, preceded by an admirably-drilled squad of our Metropolitan ‎Police. Then came the officers, variously clad in the tartans of their clans; then the Commanding ‎Officer, Lieut.-Col. ELLIOTT, and various other military dignitaries; then the men, dressed in ‎dark jackets tipped with red, and plaid pantaloons; and then the overwhelming applause of ‎gratified thousands. ‎

          The regiment numbers about 880 men, the majority of whom are extremely imposing in ‎appearance. Scotia’s fame in war, in arts, and in letters is world-wide. Looking on these, her ‎sons, as they went forth yesterday, it was not difficult to believe that her fame in the first of these ‎‎“fine arts” will be maintained and renewed on American soil. If an occasion should arise for the ‎display of valor, for the exercise of long endurance, or the exhibition of content amid scenes of ‎hardship and trial, we may rest assured that the Highland Guard will improve it and give an ‎example to others.‎
          The men of whom it is composed are among the thriftiest and most industrious of our ‎community. There is scarcely one who has not sacrificed a certainty of existence to go with this ‎regiment and place his life at the disposal of the Government. It was the pibroch of ‎MCGREGOR’s that saved the heroic defenders of Lucknow, and we may depend on it that in the ‎moment of danger, the pipes of the Seventy-ninth will bring comfort to many a beleagured [sic] ‎spirit. The men are remarkably athletic; many of them have seen service in the Crimean and ‎Indian wars, and all of them are of that tough texture which prevails in North Britain, and seems ‎to be best calculated to resist exposure and privation.

          The regiment was announced to leave for ‎Washington on almost every day of the past week. It has been impossible to procure a decent ‎bowl of Scotch broth since Monday last, so great has been the extremity of all the lassies. ‎Deficiencies in the equipments have led to the delay. It was determined, and wisely, that the ‎regiment should not leave until it had obtained all the arms and equipments that it required. ‎Hence, while the men were ready to move at a moment’s notice, and the officers were burning ‎with impatience, the hour of departure had to be postponed from day to day. These little ‎disappointments were all forgotten yesterday, and the Seventy-ninth marched through a ‎gathering scarcely inferior to that which assembled to bid farewell to the Seventh [New York ‎Regiment], on the 19th of April last. In the matter of enthusiasm there was no difference at all. ‎The streets were crowded, and every one cheered. No occasion can produce a more genial and ‎kindly result.‎

          The Seventy-ninth were escorted by a deputation from the Caledonian Society and a reserve ‎corps of the Seventy-first Regiment, and marched to the measured rhythms of their own very fine ‎band.‎
          The following is a list of the field, staff and line officers:‎
          Lieutenant-Colonel, S. M. Elliott, commanding; Major, McLellan; Chaplain, David Ireland; ‎Surgeon, James Norval; Quartermaster, Patrick Home; Paymaster, B. F. Slites.‎
          First Company, Capt Wm. Manson; Second Company, Capt. Farish; Third Company, Capt. ‎Barclay; Fourth Company, Capt. Brown; Fifth Company, Capt. Christie; Sixth Company, Capt. ‎Morrison; Seventh Company, Capt. Laing; Eighth Company, Capt. Colter; Ninth Company, ‎Capt. Shillinglaw; Tenth Company, Capt. Ellis.‎

          ‎(New York Times, Monday, 3 June 1861.)‎
          Regards,

          Mark Jaeger

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          • #6
            Re: Bagpipes In the War

            One thing I find very interesting regarding the Caledonian club is its continued social activity all through the war... Games and all! (Note the 63 and 65 dates.)

            Such "ethnic" social clubs, researched and done well, would make an interesting civilian event scenario, totally unrelated to military pursuits. It would require the development of "society" class urban impressions, as well as working class waitstaff and servant impressions, and would require an appropriate urban venue, but wouldn't it be fun??
            Regards,
            Elizabeth Clark

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            • #7
              Re: Bagpipes In the War

              Hi Elizabeth,

              Glad you enjoyed the "Caledonian Club" posts. I will continue to review the "New York Times" and "Chicago Tribune" for any further references to Scotch-related organizations and activities. If I find any, I'll go ahead and post them for your edification and perusal!

              Regards,

              Mark Jaeger
              Regards,

              Mark Jaeger

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              • #8
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                Greetings,

                I found this in the Chicago "Tribune" for 25 January 1862:

                SERENADED.--On Tuesday evening [21 January 1862], a party composed chiefly of those engaged in the formation of the Scotch regiment, serenaded Alex. White, Esq., H. D. Colvin, C. G. Wicker, Peter Page, and other gentlemen who have actively interested themselves in behalf of the enterprise. THEY WERE ACCOMPANIED BY TWO PIPERS ATTACHED TO THE REGIMENT [emphasis mine]. At the residences of Mr. White and Mr. Colvin, they were entertained in the most hospitable manner, and by all the other gentlemen were received with cordial good feeling.
                ***

                In a previous post, I included a 21 January 1862 "Tribune" notice soliciting pipers for the Scotch regiment, 65th (2nd Scotch, Cameron's Highlanders) Illinois Volunteer Infantry. Based on the above, it appears the regiment was initially successful in its quest.

                However, some words of warning: This does NOT prove that the two pipers actually went out into the field since I haven't yet finished reviewing "Tribune" issues for the remainder of Spring 1862. The 65th Illinois performed POW guard duty at Camp Douglas for several months while concurrently organizing and, while it officially mustered into active service on 1 May 1862, it did not depart for the field until 24 June. That made for plenty of time for those two pipers to develop second thoughts!

                Still this is very interesting, to say the least!

                Mark Jaeger
                Regards,

                Mark Jaeger

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                • #9
                  Re: Bagpipes In the War

                  Greetings,

                  I have found yet another Civil War-era reference to regimental bagpipers. The following is extracted from a very lengthy article in the 1 September 1866 "United States Army and Navy Journal" (p. 34) reporting on the reception and parade for President Andrew Johnson, in New York City, on Wednesday, 29 August 1866:

                  "The Seventy-ninth [Regiment, National Guard, State of New York], though rather weak in numbers, looked better than we remember to have seen them before. The new uniforms of blue with red facings added much to their appearance. The regiment was preceded by five Scotch pipers in full costume who played before the President as the regiment filed past in review, and by their musical efforts, succeeded in exciting his admiration, if we may use that word in its old sense of "wonderment."

                  Regards,

                  Mark Jaeger
                  Regards,

                  Mark Jaeger

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bagpipes In the War

                    Even if Pipes were not used on the battlefield, there is the option of re-enacting the 79th leaving New York. I think that would be so FUN! And to all who think Bagpipes, Kilt, Glenngarrys, and other Scottish military items should not be worn i have something to say.....It would be AUTHENTIC!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bagpipes In the War

                      Sure it would be accurate if you were recreating the one afternoon they left the city, other than that, not a bit. We know from reading the regimental history that all kilts save one were packed up and shipped back to NY prior to their first engagement at Bull Run. The one remainiing kilt worn by an officer was not seen after the day prior to the battle. Further, if you examine the photographs taken at Castle Pickney after the battle of captured federals, youll find some 79th'ers. The only uniform item seen in even this very early photograph is the cut out doublet intended to be worn with a sporran. No kilts, no pipes, no glengarrys. Trust me, I made the full dress uniform for the 79th some years ago, and its a shame we cant wear it anywhere, but thats the bottom line, we jsut cant wear it anywhere. IF youd like to email me soetime to get some info about the evolution of the uniform during the war, feel free.

                      Civilian Mods, sorry this is not strictly civilian in content, I just had too. The glaring inaccuracies of most 79th impressions has cheezed me off for years.
                      [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
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                        Greetings,

                        This is strictly "FYI"--it may be of interest to those researching this subject:



                        Here is the listing in cleartext in case the link is eventually broken. I am also attaching an image of the invitation itself:

                        1854 CALEDONIA BALL Invit'n Scotch Bagpipes Item number: 2201152862

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                        1854 four page embossed invitation for Caledonia Ball with music by Brown & Richardson's Waltz & Quadrille Bands, and Scotch Bagpipes, printed by Wm. Elder, Boston. 42/3x7", printed on one page only, Slight age discoloration and wear, overall very good condition. Buyer pays priority postage and insurance; MO., cash, check and BidPay accepted. INTERNATIONAL CUSTOMERS: Postal registration strongly advised.

                        Regards,

                        Mark Jaeger
                        Last edited by markj; 06-04-2007, 03:11 PM.
                        Regards,

                        Mark Jaeger

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bagpipes In the War

                          I'm going to leave the 79th references--it's been a frustration to me in the past, too, Mr. Runyon! (And I ADORE kilts. :) )

                          While recreating the 79th leaving New York would be fun, there are a few things that would be hard to arrange: first, New York; second, enough kilts that are actually cut in a military style for the time; third, enough civilians of the right classes to represent the Caledonian Club... basically, while it would be nifty, it would brief, and a heck of a lot of work for a 2 hour scenario.

                          Thanks to Mark for continuing to contribute excllent information about Scottish Citizens and their social activities!
                          Regards,
                          Elizabeth Clark

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bagpipes In the War

                            ....Further, if you examine the photographs taken at Castle Pickney after the battle of captured federals, youll find some 79th'ers. The only uniform item seen in even this very early photograph is the cut out doublet intended to be worn with a sporran. No kilts, no pipes, no glengarrys....
                            Justin do you have this picture? If you do can you send it to me in a message? Thanks.

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                            • #15
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                              Im on my way out of town now and my scanner is currently down. Send me and email at the end of the week and I'll let you know where you can find them as I do not have them in front of me currently.
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Organization of American Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Company of Military Historians[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] F&AM[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM[/FONT]

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