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  • #16
    Re: Ice Cream?

    An encounter with ice cream during Harry Gilmor's 1864 Raid , as described by a couple participants.


    "At a place called Owings Mills we fell in with Painter's celebrated Ice Cream Saloon + establishment with a large supply of that delightful compound, on hand. We had no rations, and vanilla, Lemon, and so forth were issued to the whole command. They Eat + Eat + Eat until they could Eat no more.
    This is the first time a Brigade ever fed on Ice Cream."

    -- Bradley T. Johnson to his wife, letter dated July 15, 1864. Bradley T. Johnson Papers, Duke University, Durham, N.C.


    "... we struck the establishment of Painter, the then well-known ice-cream man, about daybreak, and found his wagons loaded with this product, just about starting for the Baltimore market. It was the most ludicrous sight to see the ice-cream dished into all conceivavle receptacles, and the whole brigade engaged in feasting on this, to many, a novel luxury as the column moved along. The men carried it in hats, in rubber blankets, in buckets and old tin cans - in fact, anything that would hold the cream was utilized. No spoons were at hand, but as fingers and hands were made before spoons, the natural and primary organs were brought into play. A number of the men from southwest Virginia were not familiar with this delicious food, but were not slow in becoming acquainted with its enticing properties and expressing themselves as being very much satisfied with the 'frozen vittles,' as they termed it."
    -- George W. Booth. Personal Reminiscences of a Maryland Soldier in the War Between the States, 1861-1865 (Baltimore, privately printed, 1898) p.124.


    Eric
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    Eric J. Mink
    Co. A, 4th Va Inf
    Stonewall Brigade

    Help Preserve the Slaughter Pen Farm - Fredericksburg, Va.

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    • #17
      Re: Ice Cream?

      If you are not concerned with authenticity (entertaining kids while parents are elsewhere, etc.) you can have an awful lot of fun like this:
      1. Put about a cup of cooled ice cream mix in a quart Ziploc. Make absolutely certain it's tightly closed.
      2. Add rock salt and ice to a gallon Ziploc and put the quart bag in with it.
      3. Put both bags in another gallon bag (just in case of leaks).
      4. Toss bag around until ice cream freezes.

      The bowl on ice method resembles Jefferson's recipe. Remember, the more you stir the product, the smaller the ice crystals will be and the smoother the final result.

      A can of sweetened condensed milk is a decent ice cream starter, best diluted with about the same quantity of regular or evaporated milk (otherwise it's awfully sweet.) That might be a period-plausible, if not verifiably period-correct, solution. On the other hand, somebody could recreate the ice cream parlor raid!
      Becky Morgan

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      • #18
        Re: Ice Cream?

        Here are the oyster ice cream results.

        I first made it with the bright idea of using the juice from the canned oysters. Do not try that. It is very salty. Might be good for soup, but not for ice cream. Yuck. No.

        Then I tried it by smashing up a few of the drained oysters in a little water, and draining the water off through a sieve, and using that liquid in the ice cream. That was a better start for following the Eliza Leslie oyster soup recipe: "Season two quarts of oysters with a little cayenne. Then take them out of the liquor."

        Using the oyster liquid thus produced, I seasoned it as for soup, with cayenne, nutmeg, mace, and pepper, as called for by Leslie, heavy on the nutmeg because I like nutmeg. I added soy milk and breadcrumbs to thicken, and discovered I didn't add enough breadcrumbs so added a bit of flour also, and when it had boiled enough to thicken, put it in the freezer. The recipe also called for butter, but I discovered I didn't have any non-dairy butter here, so had to leave that out. (As noted above, I had to make it with non-dairy products due to an allergy to fish and milk in combination.)

        The color is pale tan, very attractive, like a mocha color. The flavor is, not unexpectedly, just like frozen oyster soup. I really do think it's good, but I like oysters. It's not real sweet, kind of tangy. It might be better with a richer milk or cream or the butter added, to give it a bit more natural sweetness or richness; this batch almost seems a bit more like a sherbet, but it's still good.

        Linda tried it too. At first, she said she didn't taste the oysters, only the nutmeg. Then she took a bigger bite, and said she tasted the oysters now, and said yuck. Then she said, "in the great scheme of things, it's not too bad; I've had worse."

        Hank Trent
        hanktrent@voyager.net
        Hank Trent

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        • #19
          Re: Ice Cream?

          An entry from Myra Inman's diary

          December 1865 " I went down to the drugstore and got a jubilee and some kerosene oil."

          The footnote states a jubilee is an ice cream sunday with cherry sauce. Old recipes call for cherries, sugar, water, and arrowroot. These were combined, cooked until thick and served alone or over vanilla ice cream.
          Carrie Craddock

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          • #20
            Re: Ice Cream?

            Originally posted by springkeeper View Post
            An entry from Myra Inman's diary

            December 1865 " I went down to the drugstore and got a jubilee and some kerosene oil."

            The footnote states a jubilee is an ice cream sunday with cherry sauce. Old recipes call for cherries, sugar, water, and arrowroot. These were combined, cooked until thick and served alone or over vanilla ice cream.
            Wow. Do you have more information on that or the trustworthiness of the modern author who wrote the footnote? If ice cream with cherry sauce was truly the definition of "jubilee" in 1865, it's a surprising twist.

            I'd agree with everything the footnote states, except... the distinctive name of "jubilee" supposedly goes back to Queen Victoria's jubilee celebration in the 1880s.

            Was cherry sauce with or without ice cream, already called "jubilee" before Queen Victoria's celebration? Was the chef who supposedly invented it actually just using an old dish that coincidentally had the same name as the celebration he created it for? That seems hard to believe. I don't doubt that ice cream with thickened cherry sauce is old, I'm talking about the specific name.

            Today we think of cherries jubilee as ice cream with cherry sauce and brandy, set on fire. Remove the drama of setting on fire, though, and it fits the footnote, even to the detail of arrowroot, and "with or without ice cream." This page http://members.cox.net/jjschnebel/cherries.html traces the origin, and indicates the ice cream was not a part of the original inventor's recipe. He says: "Notice something odd? There is no ice cream in Escoffier's [the original inventor's] version! Most people today associate the flaming dessert with cherries and vanilla ice cream."

            Was the name "jubilee" really applied to cherry sauce and ice cream before Queen Victoria's jubilee?

            Hank Trent
            hanktrent@voyager.net
            Hank Trent

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            • #21
              Re: Ice Cream?

              Hank (& Linda): Thank you for your noble experiment of making and tasting oyster ice cream. :tounge_sm I'll stick with vanilla, or chocolate, or strawberry, you know, the conventional stuff.
              GaryYee o' the Land o' Rice a Roni & Cable Cars
              High Private in The Company of Military Historians

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              • #22
                Re: Ice Cream?

                [QUOTE]December 1865 " I went down to the drugstore and got a jubilee and some kerosene oil."

                The footnote states a jubilee is an ice cream sunday with cherry sauce...QUOTE]

                I wonder why the author chose to assume that "jubilee" referred to a food, and not to a specific style lamp, heater, or some other object that the kerosene was being purchased to fill. I can't prove one way or the other, but curiousity has the best of me. :D

                Not trying to hijack the thread,

                Linda
                Linda Trent
                [email]linda_trent@att.net[/email]

                “It ain’t what you know that gets you into trouble.
                It’s what you know that just ain’t so.” Mark Twain.

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                • #23
                  Re: Ice Cream?

                  Wasn't Jubilee a brand of lamp/lantern? I can't quite recall, but it makes more sense in that context than the sundae.
                  Becky Morgan

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                  • #24
                    Re: Ice Cream?

                    Back to the ice cream...

                    "Saturday, July 3rd, 1863
                    Yesterday Cousin Kate, Eliza, little Rob, and I spent and Mrs. Gray's and ate as many cherries, green applies, ice cream, etc., as we could, and borrowed Lavania by Ruffini..."

                    From Lucy Breckinridge of Grove Hill: The Journal of a Virginia Girl, 1862-1864 edited by Mary D. Robertson, 1994.
                    Sincerely,
                    Emmanuel Dabney
                    Atlantic Guard Soldiers' Aid Society
                    http://www.agsas.org

                    "God hasten the day when war shall cease, when slavery shall be blotted from the face of the earth, and when, instead of destruction and desolation, peace, prosperity, liberty, and virtue shall rule the earth!"--John C. Brock, Commissary Sergeant, 43d United States Colored Troops

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                    • #25
                      Re: Ice Cream?

                      I did a search yesterday through the Feeding America site http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/
                      and found no references to "jubilee", either connected to cherries or not. I did find numerous references through google to "jubilee lamps" but they all seem to refer to the Queen's Jubilee, much past our period. I also looked through a 19thc. slang and a 19th c. "Americanisms" dictionary and found no references to jubilee at all.

                      I did find lots of very yummy ice cream recipies, though!

                      Joanna Jones
                      Joanna Bigler-Jones
                      Minneapolis, MN

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                      • #26
                        Re: Ice Cream?

                        I was curious if the editor of the diary was correct in his footnote in regards to a "jubilee" so I spent a couple of hours on the computer looking under food ( found the same site as Mr.Trent), oil lamps, music, periodicals....

                        Perhaps the editor hit on something which led to to use the definition he did.
                        Carrie Craddock

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                        • #27
                          Re: Ice Cream?

                          Elizabeth, your quote hits the historic nail squarely on the head!
                          "There are so many aspects to mid-century life that go far, far beyond soldiery."
                          This is excellent advice for many, many other reenactors/living historians
                          who do other time periods as well. sometimes we get tunnel vision, and forget
                          there's "ther" life outside the tent or battlefield!

                          Very well put!

                          Jeff Prechtel
                          Jeff Prechtel

                          A work of art which did not begin in emotion is not art.
                          -Cezanne

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                          • #28
                            Re: Ice Cream?

                            I googled cherries jubilee and found a recipe for "traditional French" dessert -- funny coincidence was the genealogy ad/pop-up on the page showed a photo from our period of a mortar battery crew.

                            Maybe the editor was led astray by this name, but I agree jubilee would more probably refer to a lamp, not a treat.

                            Cheers,
                            Paul Hadley
                            Learned to Drive on a Ford Jubilee :D
                            Paul Hadley

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                            • #29
                              Re: Jubilee?

                              Originally posted by Elizabeth Miller View Post
                              I did a search yesterday through the Feeding America site http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/ and found no references to "jubilee", either connected to cherries or not.
                              Hi Joanna,

                              We also did a search of the Feeding America site a day or two ago, as well as all our cookbooks and Making of America, Google, Google books, Brooklyn Eagle, etc. and came up with nothing. I wish I had access to the OED as that might help pinpoint the origin of the word jubilee with the cherry dessert.

                              The term jubilee was used frequently in the period in reference to "great public joy and festivity," (definition from our 1854-67 dictionaries, the word also was defined as a religious celebration -- every 50th year) An example would be in the song *When Johnny Comes Marching Home,* "Get ready for the Jubilee, Hurrah, hurrah! We'll give the hero three times three: Hurrah, hurrah!" which was supposedly written to celebrate the North's victory that was expected to happen in 1863. Another song from the period was entitled *'63 is the Jubilee.*

                              Since the source in question is December 1865, is it possible that a jubilee was some sort of kerosene powered lamp, stove, whatever that was named for the great celebration or homecoming of the troops? Maybe something specific to a certain manufacturer or locale? Even if it's a southern diary (which I'm don't know) I know they still rejoiced in the safe return of their boys.

                              The question is, who was the transcriber and what is his/her experience with the 19th century? Is it possible to contact this person and find out what source he or she used to make the conclusion that jubilee was a dessert?

                              Linda.
                              Linda Trent
                              [email]linda_trent@att.net[/email]

                              “It ain’t what you know that gets you into trouble.
                              It’s what you know that just ain’t so.” Mark Twain.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Jubilee?

                                Originally posted by LindaTrent View Post
                                Hi Joanna,

                                We also did a search of the Feeding America site a day or two ago, as well as all our cookbooks and Making of America, Google, Google books, Brooklyn Eagle, etc. and came up with nothing. I wish I had access to the OED as that might help pinpoint the origin of the word jubilee with the cherry dessert.

                                Linda.
                                I checked the OED and there was nothing to connect the definition with cherries jubilee or a dessert, a lantern, or anything else except a celebration or emancipation. The only definition that could be related is the one below from the OED. There was no entry for cherries jubilee.

                                "6. attrib. and Comb., as jubilee-bonfire, -coin, -issue, -masquerade, -post-card, -procession, -tree, -trumpet, -type, -year, etc. (Often with special reference to sense 1, 2, or 3; in the last case esp. frequent in the last two decades of the 19th c. in reference to the two ‘Jubilees’ of the reign of Queen Victoria in 1887 and 1897, the Jubilee of Penny Postage in 1890, the Swiss (25 years') Jubilee of the Postal Union in 1900, and other celebrations.)
                                1382 WYCLIF Lev. xxv. 28 The bigger shal haue that he bou{ygh}te, vnto the iubilee {ygh}eer. 1647 FULLER Good Th. in Worse T. (1841) 92 Few [popes] had the happiness to fill their coffers with jubilee-coin. 1749 H. WALPOLE Lett. (1846) II. 267 The next day was what was called ‘a jubilee-masquerade in the Venetian manner’ at Ranelagh. 1858 DORAN Crt. Fools 59 The year 1480 was..the very jubilee year of German fools. 1887 Times 31 Dec. 9/1 The pleasant associations of the Jubilee year. 1891 Philat. Penny Postage Jubilee 117 The Jubilee celebrations..at the Guildhall..on May 16, 17 and 19 (1890). Ibid. 118 The Jubilee Post Office was more patronised than any other part of the Jubilee exhibition. 1893 SIR W. HARCOURT in Daily News 15 Mar. 2/2 The designs for the new coins..were better than the Jubilee issue... Eighteen millions of the new gold coins issued were..of the Jubilee type. 1897 (title) Illustrated Programme of the Royal Jubilee Procession."

                                It does match with what I've read that the cherry sauce dessert was created for Queen Victoria's golden jubilee in 1887. Escoffier's 1903 recipe for cherries jubilee did not mention ice cream. His recipe is very similar to Beeton's cherry sauce made to serve over puddings with the exception that Beeton's did not mention being flamed with kirsch.
                                Virginia Mescher
                                vmescher@vt.edu
                                http://www.raggedsoldier.com

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